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May 28
2008

Dusty Baker Out to Ruin More Young Arms

Posted by jonlee in MLBMark PriorKerry WoodJohnny CuetoJoey VottoJay BruceEdinson VolquezDusty BakerCincinnati RedsChicago CubsBrandon Phillips

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Everybody remembers what happened back in Chicago in 2003. Two young fireballers named Kerry Wood and Mark Prior had Cy-Young caliber seasons and were poised to lead the Cubs for years to come. Instead overwork, overuse, and some bad breaks left the pair of phenoms on the proverbial scrap heap. Neither player has been able to duplicate their success of that season since. Mark Prior is currently rehabbing as a member of the San Diego Padres and hopes to join the rotation sometime this season. Kerry Wood is finally tasting some modicum of success this season, butas a closer with his arm no longer able to withstand the rigors of starting games.

The only person that seems to have failed to heed this cautionary tale is the man responsible for its genesis: Dusty Baker. As manager of the Cubs during that 2003 season he rode the arms of both Wood and Prior all the way to the NLCS. Wood was 26 that year, while Prior was just 23. Both had superstar futures ahead of them if only they could avoid injury. While not all of the blame can be placed at the feet of Baker, the incredible workload he pushed onto his young starters certainly was not a good idea. Wood made 3542 pitches during the regular over the course of 33 starts for an average of 111 per outing. Prior threw 3399 pitches in 30 starts, an average of 113 pitches per outing. Considering that the threshold for a full day's work for a starter these days is 100 pitches, and the numbers seem downright absurd. And these numbers do not even include Spring Training and the postseason.

History seems to be repeating itself this season with Baker as the new manager of Cincinnati. The Reds have two phenoms of their own in the rotation in 22-year old Johnny Cueto and 24-year old Edinson Volquez. They, along with position players Jay Bruc, Edwin Encarnacion, Brandon Phillips, and Joey Votto, form a young nucleus that promises a bright future for baseball in Ohio. This of course is assuming that Cueto and Volquez remain healthy which is never a given for young pitchers, all the more reason to be concerned about things like innings and pitch counts. With Baker at the helm, it appears the future means nothing even though the Reds are clearly not ready to contend today.

That appears to matter little to Baker who is more interesting in winning what amounts to meaningless games in April and May.  The Reds (as of 5/27) are just 24-28 and 7 behind in the NL Central.  They should be planning for the future and nurturing their exciting young core of both pitchers and everyday players.  Instead, Cueto and Volquez are being pushed to dangerous levels that mirrors what happen in Chicago in 2003.  Except of course the Reds are not World Series contenders.

Cueto is very young and shows electric stuff despite his 5'10'' frame.  He has the typical power pitcher arsenal flashing a fastball that sits in the low to mid-nineties (averaging 93.4 mph according to PitchFX) with a slider and a developing change.  He spent just two seasons in the minors last year throwing 161.1 innings.  This season Cueto is projected to throw 183 innings at his current pace, but his pitch counts have been disturbingly high in his last two starts.  Baker actually did a good job limiting Cueto's workload never allowing him to throw more 100 pitches in his first six starts.  Cueto though was allowed to throw 108 pitches or more in 3 of his last 5 starts.  In his last two outings he has averaged 116.5 pitches in just 10 total innings.  Volquez is slightly bigger than Cueto at 6' 200 lbs. and threw a career-high 178.2 innings in 2007.  This year he has been a revelation with a 1.31 ERA and 11.3 K/9.  He has thrown 100 pitches or more in 7 of his 11 starts and 4 times topped 110.  Part of that is Volquez's own fault due to a 4.79 BB/9 and the high strikeout rate, but it still points to bad management by Baker.

Baker needs to realize that he is not playing for today.  He needs to prepare this team to win in 2009 and beyond.  Walt Jocketty was hired earlier this season as the new GM in Cincinnati, and he did not hire Baker.  Jocketty has a long history of success in St.Louis and it will be interesting to see how he handles the development of his young star players.  Jay Bruce was recently called up, and was fantastic in his debut.  In order for the Reds to be ready to win when Bruce, Encarnacion, and Votto hit their primes they need the arms of Volquez and Cueto.  Baker needs to make sure what happened to Prior and Wood do not repeat themselves or he may find himself out of a job very soon. 


Minus his last start, Volquez has averaged over 102 pitches per outing.  Cueto has thrown 233 pitches in his last two starts.



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werd said:

 
clemens is a freak of nature, you can't compare all pitchers to him. he's an exception to the rule, not the rule. plus, lower mounds=greater pressure on arms. this is why if pitchers were to throw say 130 pitches per game for 34 starts, they'd be fuked the year after, whereas it was commonplace in the 50's-80's
May 30, 2008

jonlee said:

 
The Reds might be 24-28, but do you really believe they are ready to contend for a NL pennant? Wouldn't it wiser to have the team ready in 2009 or 2010 after they have shed the contracts of Dunn and Griffey? Also, while Wood had a violent throwing motion and that may have contributed to his arm problems how do you explain Mark Prior? He was lauded all throughout baseball for having one of the best motions in baseball. Prior throwing motion and mechanics were described by many media members and coaches as "perfect." I remember, it was constantly harped about when people were wondering if he was overused. He hasn't been the same pitcher since.

I agree that some of the high pitch totals are the own fault of the players. Both walk way too many batters, I said as much in the article. But the fact is that they both are starting to hit the 100 pitch mark very early in games, often in the fifth inning. That was my point. It is past the time to adjust the workload.

@ Chickenmilk: It's not that 211 innings is too many. It's the wear and tear created by throwing so many pitches so young in a career. You talk about Roger Clemens and Roy Halladay. Is it fair to compare the young Reds to the greatest pitcher (albeit artificially enhanced) of this generation? Halladay is an anamoly in today's game throwing complete game after complete game. It's not an apt comparison to make. One outlying example does not make it true for all others in a set. Also, it is the increase in workload that concerns me. I stated that Cueto 's previous high for innings was 161. For Volquez it was 178. Jumping to 210-220 innings in the majors rather than in the minors should be a concern. The effects probably won't be seen this year, I think they will be fine in 2008. But what happens in 2009 or 2010 when their arms are burned out? They could both turn out to be extremely durable like Clemens, but the Reds shouldn't be betting on that.

@ Diving Stab: It doesn't matter what the media or fans think. The organization should make a decision based on when they think the players are ready, and how best to prepare their team to compete now and in the future. I'm not saying Joba, Kershaw, Volquez, or Cueto shouldn't be pitching. They're clearly good enough. The point is that they shouldn't be overworked to the point of jeopardizing their future careers. Look at how valuable young pitching is in today's market. The Yankees refused to part with Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes for Johan Santana. The economics of the game dictate this. The Reds should know that the next five years combined of Volquez and Cueto are much more valuable than whatever they could provide in just this single season.
May 29, 2008

Diving stab said:

 
What would Tony (LaRussa) do? or any other manager for that manner? I'm no Dusty fan, but had we been in Chicago in '03, what would we have done differently...that we wouldn't have been crucified for had those two not been given their work and chance to help the club win it all? Cueto and Volquez? With today's media and fan base in the make-it-happen-now era, what do you think would happen if either was put to the pen to limit innings? We already saw what Red's fans thought of keeping Jay Bruce on a Ryan Braun-like leash. We see what's happening in the Bronx with the Joba move to the rotation and in L.A. with a 20 year-old getting the desparate (even if capable) call to the bigs. Call Dusty what you want, in the end it's a bottom line of money, (and of course lack of better choices), that has those two on the mound, not necessarily the manager.
May 29, 2008

ooooookkkkkkk said:

 
24-28 and they are playing for the future? do you realize how poor the division is? the cubs have played 32 home games this year out of 53. Im sure they're due for a losing road streak at least once this year.

anyway, the topic at hand, i agree that baker has left cueto in a bit too long on 2 occasions this year, but he's shown no signs of any negative affects. he's hitting 94 on the gun in late innings. the main problem is pitch efficiency for both cueto and volquez. if they're throwing their 115 pitch in the fifth inning it's time to adjust their workload.

however, please don't compare kerry (garbage mechanics) wood to either of these young studs. i agree he was a bit overworked in chicago, but his breakdown was maximized by his awful motion and throwing as hard as he could.
May 29, 2008

Chickenmilk said:

 
Lets see... in 2003, Kerry Wood throws 211 innings. Mark Prior throws 211 innings. 40 year old Roger Clemens throws 211 innings.

Roger Clemems threw 254 innings @ age 23, 281 innings @ age 24, 264 innings @ age 25, 253 innings @ age 26 and won 2 Cy Young awards.

2003 CYA winner Roy Halliday pitched 266 innings @ age 26.

So 211 innings is TOO MANY? Maybe if you have a glass arm, but I am guessing that most managers in 2008 are expecting at least 200 innings from their number one or two starters, otherwise the bullpen becomes taxed.

So Volquez and Cueto need to pitch less than 211 innings this year or they will be overused?

May 29, 2008

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