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TOPIC: Don't Purchase
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uscJustin06 (User)
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Don't Purchase 2008/03/25 23:23  
I was told on here that accuscore uses the closing pinnacle line to compare to the sim line median to determine if they are correct or wrong with there picks. From looking at these lines comparing them and recording accuscores records on my own accuscore is worse than what they show on there "daily reports".

For example last night comparing sim line and closing pinnacle line picks. Accuscore went 3 - 4 and 5 - 3 in nba ats and o/u. But on the new report today accuscore said they went 4 - 4, and 6 - 2, This has happened everytime i've checked. always manipulating line changes to show that they are correct more often when they are not. On my calculations they have never reported a record that was worse than what i calculated. Few times it was the same and nearly everytime they report that they won more then they did.

And you wonder why they are better at picking the games where the odds are 0.5 to 1.5 off the vegas difference. And worse when picking the games that are far off the vegas difference? That is because they are manipulating those close lines as wins when they are losses. I would love to be proven wrong on this conclusion but I can't trust any of the information in the daily reports if they aren't accurate. How can i use them??????
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#71067
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Re:Don't Purchase 2008/03/26 22:35  
First of all, sorry for the confusion and for the late response. We have been busy the past few days with MLB previews and March Madness.

We have established that betting lines can vary between sportsbooks. We use Pinnacle's odds to keep track of our performance in the DLR. With that being said, I believe you are confusing the purpose of the DLR. The report is not to make us look good, but rather to display our accuracy versus our inaccuracy. An example:

A few years ago we noticed that in baseball our simulations were performing well in certain circumstances, and performing poorly in other circumstances. A hypothetical example would show us with an 80% accuracy predicting Team A, and a 35% accuracy predicting Team B. Therefore, if you see AccuScore predicting both Team A and B to win, you know that historically Team A has shown better results with our simulations.

We are not a taut or pick service. We try to provide data and tools to assist you in your handicapping. We do not adjust the DLR to make us look better, which is easy to see when you take a look at some of the numbers we are showing in these reports.

As far as the line discrepancies, as you know, lines can change very frequently. It would be nearly impossible for both of us to have the exact same lines on every single game, just as it would be nearly impossible for you to accomplish this feat with any other handicapper.

We receive the lines from Pinnacle and display them to reflect our accuracy so that you may determine which of our predictions is the strongest. As I said before, we are not a pick service, but a factor in your decision making process. It doesn't benefit us to guide you in the wrong direction with false results.
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Re:Don't Purchase 2008/03/27 00:01  
What i'm saying is the daily line reports lose a lot of value for me because of these line differences. The lines jump throughout the day and so the right or wrong answers change back and forth throughout the day for all of the games that are close to the simulation line.
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Re:Don't Purchase 2008/03/27 01:01  
One of the issues we have debated is which line is the best to use. The options are opening line, closing line, or an arbitrary line.

The opening line doesn't hold much value, since the lines change dramatically from when the line is posted to when most people make their selections.

Using a line throughout the day is an arbitrary process, and as you mentioned, the line moves throughout the day, so it would be harder to achieve accurate results.

The closing line provides consistency, and does as good of a job as any line in providing a good guide for AccuScore percentages. You mention your concerns with the games that are close, and likely to change predictions throughout the day. I would recommend either waiting up until the line closes to get an accurate prediction, or avoiding these games all together. You have cited that the NBA predictions do better the closer the line gets to the Vegas line. However, that is not the case in all sports. College basketball has done much better as the line moves away from the Vegas line. Once again, another way to sort through the DLR and find a method to win.
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Re:Don't Purchase 2008/03/27 01:25  
Another thought about line movement...

I use betting percentages to help predict line movement. If a line is going to move in your favor, then you would want to wait until game time. If line is going to move against you, then maybe you should grab the early line.
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#71072
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Re:Don't Purchase 2008/03/27 01:31  
Good point.

The rule of thumb I always use is "Take favorites early, take underdogs late." The public usually backs favorites, which will drive the line in favor of the underdog. More often you are going to get a better line taking a favorite earlier in the day, and waiting until later to take the underdog.

I also have had success with my AccuScore predictions when I take the picks that AccuScore agrees with, and the public bets against. Of course this is all for recreational purposes. Real gambling is wrong, and I don't condone it.
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