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How Can San Diego Upset the Patriots?The following analysis is not exactly shocking. I looked at the simulation averages for the game when the Chargers upset the Patriots (11% of simulations) vs. the 89% of simulations where the Patriots win. Obviously key players like Philip Rivers for the Chargers or Wes Welker for the Patriots have better stats when their team wins, but the difference is a +/- of around 15% in key stats. For example, Wes Welker averages 65 yards per simulation in wins and 60 yards per simulation in Patriots losses. He leads the team in receptions in both wins and losses. Philip Rivers has 228 passing yards in Chargers wins and 212 yards in losses. There are 3 players who do have radically different statistics in simulation wins and simulation losses. The 3 biggest keys to the Chargers upsetting the Patriots: LaDainian Tomlinson must average 4.7+ ypc for 100+ yards and at least 1 Touchdown. Against most opponents 100 yards and 1 TD is almost a sub-par game for LT. However, in key games vs tough opponents this year LT has put up some modest totals. Check out his numbers this year vs playoff teams and the rest of the league:
With LT only averaging 3.5 ypc the team has significantly fewer Red Zone opportunities and his TD rate goes from 5.7% of carries resulting in a TD vs non-playoff teams to just 3.1% vs playoff teams. Tomlinson averages just 74 yards rushing and less than half a rushing TD per simulation vs the Patriots. The chart below shows that for the Chargers to win LT needs to massively outperform his baseline simulation numbers and play much better than he has in 7 games vs playoff teams.
Using AccuScore’s Pro Player Analyzer I see that LT runs for over 100 yards in 21% of simulations, over 4.5 ypc in 35% of simulations and he has a 37% chance of rushing for 1 or more touchdowns. With well under 50% chance of LT achieving these levels it’s clear why the Chargers are such a heavy underdog. Tom Brady Must Not Throw Multiple Interceptions
Brady’s averages in simulation wins vs simulation losses are: While his completion percentage, TDs and yards are worse in simulation losses, the biggest statistical difference is definitely interceptions which nearly double in simulation losses. The Chargers have been excellent forcing turnovers led by Pro Bowler, Antonio Cromartie. The Pro Player Analyzer indicates that Tom Brady does thrown multiple interceptions in 25% of simulations – much higher than vs other opponents. If Brady also passes 3 Touchdowns he can off-set the turnovers. The chances of Brady thrown “just” 2 or fewer touchdowns is 33%. So the odds are well under 40% of Brady having a bad day in these key statistical areas which does not bode well for San Diego. No Big Plays for Randy Moss
Moss’s receptions are just 7.7% lower in losses, but his yards are down over 20% and TDs down over 36%. This indicates that it is the big TD pass of 30+ yards that makes the difference. San Diego needs to contain Moss in order to win the game. So there you go, three massively obvious keys to the Chargers upset. I’d love to have something more mind-blowing but that’s not how proper statistical analysis works. Obviously if the Patriots fumble the ball 3 times and muff 2 punts that would help the Chargers’ chances, but we want to stick with events that have a somewhat realistic chance of happening. Antonio Cromartie Makes a Big Difference
Wes Welker's Impact
What if LT or Philip Rivers or Both Are Out? It is blasphemous to say this, but Tomlinson’s presence or absence does not have a huge impact on the outcome. Michael Turner and Darren Sproles both produced big plays vs the Colts and Turner has been considered one of the best backup RBs in the league, if not the best. In simulations where LT is out the Chargers won 9.5% of the time. With LT playing they win 10.6% of the time. The team is better with LT playing, but not radically better.
Likewise, Philip Rivers presence / absence is not having a huge impact. Billy Volek has not played much since joining the Chargers, but his career his completion percentage and touchdown rate are virtually the same as Rivers. Volek does thrown 15% more interceptions. If Rivers is out the Chargers win 9.8% of simulations vs 10.6% with Rivers. Again, the Chargers are better with Rivers, but not radically better.
If both LT and Philip Rivers are out, the Chargers win just 8.1% of simulations. While this represents a 2.5 percentage point drop, that does translate into 23% fewer wins.
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| This is going to be a great game, there is alot of tallent on both sides of the ball. The Pats will be the stronger of the two. The trash talking on the Patriots will stop today. Go Pats |
| The Chargers will put pressure on Tom Brady which is key to slowing them dowm. SD will be able to keep the ball moving on the ground. Rivers could find open receivers with time just like last week. The chargers will need td's not fg's in the red zone. The better o-line will win this game. Bollts 24 Pats 21 |
| If the Patriots are leading by 21pts going into the 4th Qtr. would you feel safe giving up 14 pts. to the Chargers, or, would you be worried? With a Super Bowl roll coming up don't expect the Patriot Starters to hang around! |
i agree with killa. pats are the suckiest 17-0 team i have ever seen ![]() |
| Brett Favre and THE PACK, will take down the "G-MEN". Then, give the PAT'S their 1st loss of the season, winning BIG in Favre's last game of his FANTASTIC career. (He's gonna retire, if he gets that ring). |
| Shnork flork flork |
| 19-0 It will be very nice to beat the Chargers twice this season. |
| Chargers are a team on which no one wants to play! Ask Eli Manning! This is a looser team and the city of San "go" Diego, go" should be happy just to merely have an NFL franchise. Personally, I feel strongly that the Chargers should be moved to a real football city, like Las Vegas! At least they know a bit about the game. SD is a city where one might catch a tan, not a pass! Patriots 51, Chargers 13 |
| Looks like Rivers has a more serious injury than previously thought. Volek isn't much worse, but he's worse, or he would be the starter. No word on LT/Gates recently, but losing the starting QB against an undefeated team... and people are thinking upset? Maybe if this was Steve Young backing up Joe Montana. More troublesome though SD will be defensive injuries. They only win this game by getting turnovers and that means healthy defense that applies pressure to Brady and gets fumbles or pick-6s. Pats WRs and RBs have not fumbled this year. And I don't mean, haven't fumbled much. I mean the entire RB and WR crew hasn't fumbled AT ALL. The pats turnovers have all been Brady INTs, Brady strip-sacks, Cassels pick-6 vs MIA, a few TE fumbles, and 2 special teams fumbles. One of those was Troy Brown, so technically he is WR on the depth chart but he has only returned punts and only vs MIA (who they knew they'd croak) because they wanted him in one last home game before he retired. |
| They CHEAT, plain and simple. No coach who would film another coach for the sake of an advantage obviously has no respect for the game. Cheaters never win, and neither will the Cheatriots. Hopefully "lights out" Merriman gives Belichick a visit on the sideline on "accident" |
San Diego will upset patriots ![]() |
| The New England Patritos will rout the San Diego Chargers easily. 42-17 Go Pats!!!!! 19-0!!!!! |
| Chargers win outright. Chargers went 14-2 Last year had a 1-3 hic-up to start the season ( blame it on the coaching changes and adjustments) and have been 12 and 2 since then. They are a dam good team with the best back ups in the league!! Let's face it the Pats could have easily lost a few games this year..... and they get the most breaks in the league by both the football gods and the Refs. Chargers Win outright.... at the very least take the 14 pts. |
| u think vegas is going to give money away just like that......im taking the patriots -14.5 its going to be a blow out right from the start |
| How many other times have these guys been right? How many times have these guys been wrong? |
| Where is the weather conditions Factor? What if its so cold NE Receivers start dropping some of Brady's attempts? What if the first time Moss Lands on Cold hard turf, he decides this isn't for him? What if the 22mph winds create problems throwing the ball to the poont that passing and kicking FGs are hard to do? Don't see and statistics about that? Where is the stupid Penalty factor? What if Wolfolk(sp) pokes someone in the eye and gets caught this time? Where is the Rodney Harrison Late Hits Penalty Factor? Also using season long data to predict how either one of these teams are playing now is scientific folly because stats don't tell the whole story of a performance. |
San Diego,your talk will not,has not&is FUTILE ! |
| Thats funny IKNOW, but the truth is that the Pats are 10-7 vs. the spread this year. |
I am laughing my head off with some of these comments.The numbers speak for themself. It does not matter how you feel about Tom Brady and company. Facts are facts...Can you say 17-0??? It was not luck that got them there...face it..they are just better than GOOD..they be da bomb!!!No matter who they have taken on..denial is an ugly thing. ![]() |
| DAMMIT THIS GUY IS RIGHT I WANT SAN DIEGO TO KILL PATROTS BUT NO WAY CAN THAT HAPPIN NEW ENGAND IS TO GOOD THEY WILL KILL US |
| As much as I hope they can, I know my beloved Chargers just can't beat the Patriots in this game. NE is just too good in all aspects of the game. Completely dominant. Nobody would have a chance against them. Pats will just blow Chargers away. And then Packers or Giants in Super Bowl, it doesn't matter, NE will crush whoever. We are seeing history here, people. Maroney is even better than LT! |
| 17-0 ARE YOU KIDDING THIMKIMH ANYONE OTHER THEN JACKSONVILLE COULD HAVE GONE INTO NEW ENGLAND AND WIN IS CRAZY,,,,,,,,,THIS GAME IS GONNA BE A JOKE AND ILL BE 17 ROWS BACK WATCHING IT GO PATS |
| The greatest upset is about to occur. I cant believe the Chargers are getting no respect. A lot of people picked them to be right where they are, they have just as many playmakers as the Pats. 14 point dogs is ridiculous, I cant wait for Monday morning ESPN shows crying about the end of the "perfect season". The Chargers beat the Colts twice this year, doesn't matter how, it matters that they did. |
| I have a little hunch that should the Patriots make it to the super bowl which is looking like a sure possibility at this point, that they are going to want to put on a show of just utter dominance with trick plays and by trying to blow out an opponent, not a fun game to watch but none the less what they will try to do. I would expect the Patriots to make quick work of the chargers, but I also have a sneaking hunch that the Chargers might make a "NY Giants esque" stand. So in conclusion i would bet chargers on the spread, but clearly the Patriots are not going to ruin a perfect season they will get the job done. Super Bowl though whatever the spread is, take it Patriots because I promise they will cover, and depending on how much hope the nation puts in Farve, the Patriots might double cover the spread. I hate New England but there is no stopping this machine, the will go 19-0. sadly. |
| WHAT HAPPENS IF BRADY DOESN'T PLAY? IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW THAT NOW ONLY WILL GATES, LT, AND RIVERS PLAY, BUT LORENZO NEAL WILL BE BACK TOO. WHAT HAPPENS NOW WITH ALL THOSE GUYS IN ON THE OFFENSE? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN "LIGHTS OUT" MERRIMAN TAKES ONE UP THE MIDDLE INTO BRADY'S KNEECAP??? ACCUSCORE THOSE NUMBERS!!!!!! |
| Love the comments on LT and Rivers, but the fact is they are playing in New England not San Diego, so those comments are totally irrelevant and that space could have been used to give more game-relevant info. |
| yeah i just saw the 14 point spread today on bodog, im thinking about taking the chargers.. but i'm going to wait a few more days before i decide how much to wager on it... but my first instinct said pats by 13 just because they don't need to win by 14 to make the bowl... they need to win by 1 to make the bowl and i'm pretty sure thats all that matters to them they could care less about the 14 point cover... they want to squeek a win out without giving their full effort so they can be fresh for the bowl. against a very capable charger team, which if it were the superbowl, yeah the pats would cover the 14, but because its a playoff game it doesnt matter, take the chargers 14!... wish LT was in and fully healthy though, i'd be betting stacks on the game with a healthy LT on a 14 point give! |
| It's supposed to be about 9 degrees with a chill factor of about 20 degrees below zero with 20 MPH wind during the game. Will this help or hurt one team more than the other? Seems it should help Pats since playing with injuries in the such cold usually means a re-injury. But will Brady probably be less than his usual pinpoint self with such winds. |
| Saturday night prior to the colts - bolts game, I had a dream that the chargers would beat New England 22 to 20 with a last second field goal. It's gonna happen. |
| this has been the year to bet a lot against the pat spreads. the eagles 24!... you probably felt like the biggest chump in the world if you bet on that one, Laying 20 to the ravens , wow this is the nfl people you cant predict a team to win by 24, lol... pats covered agaisnt steelers because they needed to show up a little on that gsme because the steelers were a playoff bound team... why would they need to beat they eagles by 24? or the ravens by 20... those were some of the juiciest lines in nfl history, especially the eagles mmmm that one was great... lol another was diego 11 i mean is this really that easy? what gives the colts the right to an 11 point spread when they lost to diego earlier in the year... -600 money line, youd have to be mentally retarded to bet that |
| maybe in a purely statistical sense will lt's and rivers' absence be a non factor but in the play offs they need a healthy lt to hold the game close he's a play maker... pats will win by 13 |
Patriots you guys suck ![]() |
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